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Praise and a question

I apologize that I don't speak Scots, but I wanted to thank you for doing some great work with this edition of Wikipedia.

I also wanted to ask an earnest question: How would one go about the process of starting an African American Vernacular English edition of Wikipedia, as this group did with Scots? I ask because I believe that an AAVE Wikipedia (or Ebonics Wikipedia, if you like) would find a large audience.

The body of AAVE speakers is arguably larger than the equivalent groups for Scots or Plattdüütsch, to use two examples that have their own Wikipedia branches. The main objection I have seen to such a comparison is that there's "no standard written AAVE," but this strikes me as an elusive threshold to use, since even the "standard" American dialect of English adheres to no central standards body or style guide. In addition, anyone who has been to areas where Plattdüütsch is used -- on advertisements or such -- has seen that spellings and conventions tend to be somewhat fluid in that dialect.

So to repeat: How would one go about getting this process started?

Again, great work with Scots Wikipedia. Keep it up.

Should we get a new leuk or keep the auld ane?

Should we get a new leuk for the main page or keep the auld ane? Compare the leuk o the main page on the Scots Wikipaedia tae the anes on ither Wikipaedias oor size: Quechua, Sundanese, Alemmanic German, an Kannada. --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 02:20, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

I'll pynt oot that at least twa o the wikis leetit hae something seemilar tae an "Airticle o the Day/Week/Month" (Sundanese an Kannada). --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 02:34, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Scots Wikipedia? Seriously?

I hope you realise that this a complete waste of time. When is anyone ever going to need to view Wikipedia in Scots? 2.102.80.226 21:57, 10 November 2013 (UTC)

Been thare, duin that here, here and here. Jimmy (talk) 17:47, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Gin its a waste o time, hous it no sib sic a timewaste tae repone till its existence? 22:29, 12 Dizember 2013 (UTC) — Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 82.42.133.138 (talk)

New design proposal

I've made a new design for the Main Page mainly based on the Malay edeetion. Ye can find it here. Whit dae ye think? --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 00:34, 26 Januar 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, my scots is not okay, but is think this is a good idea. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 06:47, 26 Januar 2014 (UTC)

I like it. Del_♉sion23 (talk) 12:54, 26 Januar 2014 (UTC)

Acause o the variabeelity of the spellins fowk micht uise it can be awfu deeficult tae find airticles. The navigation structur on the stairt page allous fowk find airticles by sneckin throu frae the main airticle, naetheless, thae navigation links wad be mair better airtit at the fittin category page. 79.239.117.193 (talk) 23:42, 26 Januar 2014 (UTC)

The Malay edeetion's main page haes a leet o portals richt abuin the FA an ITN. A leet o portals would help veesitors navigate tae find whit they need wioot aw the airtins on the page like oor current main page design. The leet fits nicely on the Malay edeetion's main page an provides plenty o ruim for aw the ither featurs on the page. The anly raison I did nae add that tae ma design is that we dae nae hae a portal namespace, an I dae nae ken hou we could get it. An we could add airtins tae categories (lik Astronomy, Biology, Pheesics, etc.) compactit lik the leet o portals. --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 00:48, 27 Januar 2014 (UTC)

We might need Featured Articles though for a main page. How about something like the Simple edeetion? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:32, 27 Januar 2014 (UTC)

Hou aboot addin this tae ma main page design? That wey veesitors can find whit they need bi gangin through the categories leetit while the leet taks up a very smaa aurie. I've made a template o airtins copied frae Simple Inglis (Template:MainLinks) lik ye suggestit an it leuks very guid an aa. --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 20:29, 27 Januar 2014 (UTC)

I guess I'll mak ma design the new main page on Februar 2 if no ane objects. --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 22:41, 28 Januar 2014 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:06, 30 Januar 2014 (UTC)

I'll chynge it on the 1st acause ma temporary adminship runs oot on the seicont an the Main Page is fully pertectit Nevermynd, it's anly semi. --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 03:24, 30 Januar 2014 (UTC)

 Duin --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 00:08, 2 Februar 2014 (UTC)

Nominations fer Airticle o the Month gang here an I'll put a pictur recently featurt as POTD on the Main Page fer featurt pictur. --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 00:18, 2 Februar 2014 (UTC)

Did ye ken section

I kent that the DYK section is frae the English Wikipedia, but what if we get the DYK frae the Simple English Wikipedia. Their hooks relate to article that we have here. Instead of having red-linked article appearing at DYK, we can have linked articles! Check the DYK section on the Simple English -> [1]. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:22, 28 Februar 2014 (UTC)

 Duin It is gangin tae stairt next month. --AmaryllisGardener (talk) 12:57, 28 Februar 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. It will make this Wikipedia even more interesting and will encourage more readers to come here! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:00, 1 Mairch 2014 (UTC)

Featurt airticle

We need tae promote some airticles so we can hae a new ane fer the main page each month. I've creatit a page fer reviewin current FAs so we micht can get rid o the FAs promotit years ago that dinna hae ony references. I would need some input at Wikipedia:Featurt airticles sae we can get new anes.

English: We need to promote some articles so we can have a new one for the main page each month. I've created a page fer reviewing current FAs so we might can get rid of the FAs promoted years ago that don't have any references. I would need some input at Wikipedia:Featurt airticles so we can get new ones. --AmaryllisGardener (tauk) 12:28, 2 Apryle 2014 (UTC)

Wha?

The pronunciation of most varieties of English does not match standard spelling particularly closely. Practically the only time it is necessary to use non-standard spelling to suggest a certain type of pronunciation is when transcribing dialogue, and even then only when the intention is to emphasise an accent or create a special effect. Writing an encyclopedia in a kind of comedy Scottish-ised spelling is silly, and makes every article look like a piss-take. All that's missing is the insertion of "Jimmy" and "Hoots Mon!" every so often. 86.128.3.226 (talk) 17:09, 14 Apryle 2014 (UTC)

It is a language, with an ISO 639 code. We've been through this many times here. --AmaryllisGardener (tauk) 21:47, 14 Apryle 2014 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but it's utterly ridiculous. Or do I mean ooterlee redikooloose. 109.147.185.246 (talk) 18:58, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

We've been through it many times. ISO code "sco". Your "argument" is invalid. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 04:20, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Medieval or sleep-inducing older sources referring

Medieval or even-handed older sources referring to lemons forever not at all the extraordinarily pitiless, but juice-free citron. — Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 79.177.157.36 (talk)

???--AmaryllisGardener ^talk 18:37, 27 Mey 2014 (UTC)

Medieval or hebdomadal older sources referring

Medieval or ordinary older sources referring to lemons again of timeliness the strongly scented, but juice-free citron.

Newsins

European Fowk's Pairty shoud be linkit, no European Fowk's Pairty (European Pairlament group). Bzweebl (tauk) 20:14, 3 Juin 2014 (UTC)

I'll chynge it later the day, the new version will no hae an airtin tae either. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 21:24, 3 Juin 2014 (UTC)

Will the featurt airticle an did ye ken chynge? Bzweebl (tauk) 01:42, 6 Juin 2014 (UTC)

@Bzweebl: Ance a month. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 02:21, 6 Juin 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Bzweebl (tauk) 02:33, 6 Juin 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you! You really did a great job! I will support you all the time.

Translating articles from English

I suggest a bot that can translate articles from the English Wikipedia (gramatical rules between English and Scots are similar.)--220.245.49.25 (talk) 10:21, 25 Januar 2015 (UTC)

Agreed, but who would run the bot? Certainly not me, I don't know much about bots. Maybe I can contact a few users that run bots like this on other wikis. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 14:28, 25 Januar 2015 (UTC)

I've started an RfC. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 02:58, 26 Januar 2015 (UTC)

I don't speak Scots

But I will talk to you in English. Boot I wil tauk to ye in Inglish. Antiv31 (tauk) 09:59, 2 Mairch 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia in Scots? That's racist.

You should know better than to insult 20 000 000 Scottish people living worldwide. They speak their own language but would kindly ask that you keep off their linguistic territory. 010FiftyMan (tauk) 07:17, 5 Apryle 2015 (UTC)

@010FiftyMan: So, you're saying that people that aren't Scottish shouldn't be allowed to have anything to do with the Scots language? Scottish supremacy, much? Oh, and by the way, I have Scottish ancestry, along with German and Dutch. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 14:09, 5 Apryle 2015 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: Scots language? Scots is not a language, it's just English written the way the Scots say it with a heavy accent. German and Dutch are languages. If you want a real Scottish language, then here you go. Also did you like the music? 010FiftyMan (tauk) 23:03, 5 Apryle 2015 (UTC)

@010FiftyMan: You said is yourself: "They speak their own language". BTW, I'll pass on the music. Have a look at the Talk:Main Page archives to see where we've tried to explain over and over again to newbies and trolls that this wiki is legit. Scots has an ISO 639 code, therefore it technically is a language. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 23:27, 5 Apryle 2015 (UTC)

Scots and modern English are both descendents of Middle English, but I've seen them considered as distinct languages more often than as dialects. Scots should not be confused with Scottish English, which is a dialect of English. By the way, 010FiftyMan is blocked on the English, French, and Swedish Wikipedias (CentralAuth) for vandalism, so he's probably just trolling. PiRSquared17 (tauk) 23:30, 5 Apryle 2015 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: @PiRSquared17: Not that I'm saying Scots is wrong, just that non-Scottish people using it is racist, think of what is known as 'n-word privileges' where slurs are acceptable within the group they insult but not outside. I think having an ISO 639 code does not mean it is a separate language. Just look at Alemannic, which is a German DIALECT not a language. And Walloon and Jerriais are French DIALECTS. Not languages. There's a superfine line between the two OK? 010FiftyMan (tauk) 23:34, 5 Apryle 2015 (UTC)

@010FiftyMan: No "OK". Creating this nonsense is more proof that you're trolling. Your next trolly edit will land you an indef block personally handed out by myself. Good day. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 23:50, 5 Apryle 2015 (UTC)

@AmaryllisGardener: One nation one nation. Now go back to gardening amaryllii. 010FiftyMan (tauk) 23:51, 5 Apryle 2015 (UTC)

Ok. Enjoy your indefinite vacation FM. --AmaryllisGardener ^talk 23:53, 5 Apryle 2015 (UTC)

Formal Scots

I understand completely that this wiki is legit, and all, but I would like to know about the standing of Scots in formal situations. IllogicMink (tauk) 02:00, 2 Mey 2015 (UTC)

Serious History.

The subject of the Scots language is problematic because there has been a vast amount of highly enthusiastic but very badly researched material published. By far the best (i.e. most academically rigorous) examination of the subject which I've yet come across was published as long ago as the 1870s by Scotsman James Murray (founding editor of the OED). Murray's 'The Dialect of the Lowland Counties of Scotland' can be read free on-line. Cassandra. — Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 78.145.183.165 (talk • contribs) 16:22, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. I used to think it was a separate language from English till I read up on the history of Scots actually referring to Gaelic historically.

Wut abut ye?

haw ar ye all doin'? Ulster Scots Lallans native chanter so aye am. I thnk ussuns shod be prohmohtin' Scot wikipadia abut tae web. Themuns ar yappin' its a waste o time, hous it no sib sic a timewaste tae repone till its existence? — Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 85.31.138.205 (talk • contribs) 13:01, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

Windies 7 in Scots

I dinae know where else to ask boot can ye get windies 7 in (Ulster)-Scots? — Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 86.138.8.207 (talk • contribs) 14:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

• I don't speak Scots (but it's easy to understand) but I'd think probably not. Remagoxer (talk)

I know the deepest place in Scotland

Yes I do. Do you? — Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 176.56.230.79 (talk • contribs) 03:06, 7 Februar 2016 (UTC)

I'll give you a clue. Look up bathymetry of the lochs. — Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 176.56.230.79 (talk • contribs) 03:07, 7 Februar 2016 (UTC)

I don't know. — Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 76.177.9.12 (talk • contribs) 04:12, 11 Apryle 2016 (UTC)

Possible link?

There is a foreigners-in-China forum Raoul's China Saloon & Raoul did a site for a school purporting to teach Scots "Engalish" in China.

Sadly, both Raoul and the website are gone, but there is an archive of the site: https://web.archive.org/web/20110207180820id_/http://weemickleoengalish.com/ — Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 130.105.192.96 (talk • contribs) 11:56, 6 Januar 2017‎ (UTC)

Celtic and Indigenous Languages Conference

Dear colleagues, The first ‘Celtic Knot’ – Wikipedia Language Conference will take place 5 & 6 July 2017 at the University of Edinburgh in collaboration with Wikimedia UK. Please save the date. The event will focus on Celtic Languages and Indigenous Languages, showcasing innovative approaches to open education, open knowledge and open data that support and grow language communities. The call for ideas closes on 10th March 2017. Our vision is for diverse participants working in Celtic and Indigenous languages ranging from Wikimedians, educators, researchers, information professionals, media professionals, linguists, translators, learning technologists and more coming together to share good practice and find fruitful new collaborations to support language communities as a result of the event. To find out more about the conference themes and the format of sessions please visit the Celtic Knot page. Email your session proposal to ewan.mcandrew@ed.ac.uk indicating the session type by no later than Friday 10th March. Please feel free to forward this event to interested colleagues in your network. If you would like to more then please contact me direct at ewan.mcandrew@ed.ac.uk Very best regards, Stinglehammer (tauk) 23:32, 23 Februar 2017 (UTC)

Missing page: 'Aboot'

Prior apologies as ahm no familiar wid dis language - bein ah Cumbrian Sassenach but ahl gie it a go.

Ah feel an 'Aboot' page is needed to explain 'everything' for them that dinna ken what it's all aboot including origins of the wiki & the peeple behind it.

pmailkeey 16:51, 1 Apryle 2017 (UTC)

Cornish

The native name for Cornish is no longer spelt 'Karnuack'. That is, for quite some time there has been a unified spelling that is no widely used accepted and has mostly displaced older spelling conventions. Could any admin change its name to 'Kernowek'? Steinbach (tauk) 16:41, 16 Januar 2018 (UTC)