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Inglis

Wee is thar nae link tae the Inglis Wikipaedia on the Main Page? Woshiyiweizhongguoren (tauk) 15:34, 9 Apryle 2019 (UTC)[replie]

Cause thare shoudna be ane. English is a deid leid, an naebody cares aboot it ony mair. Ye micht as well link tae the Latin ane.— Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 2001:bc8:4700:2300::11:c07 (talk) 06:05, 10 Mey 2019‎ (UTC)[replie]

Acause Scots isna English. KevRobbSCO (tauk) 01:38, 20 Mairch 2020 (UTC)[replie]

(En) New idea: Featurt uiser

It'd be nice to be able to highlight the contributions of our users for a change. Instead of doing "On this day" (which almost always is a redlink), we could do a featurt uiser and some articles they contributed to. Anyone have thoughts on this? –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 17:47, 22 November 2019 (UTC)[replie]

(En) Removal

Should the "On this day" section be removed? According to this, there really isn't anyone updating (creating) it often enough and the main page is broken because of this.

In addition, the DYK section has not been created and it's near the end of January. Minorax (tauk) 05:57, 27 Januar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@Minorax: I've long contemplated whether or not it's worth it to keep that section around. One of my long shot ideas was to replace it with a "Featurt uiser" section or something to celebrate our many contributors.
What do you think we should replace it with? –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 05:53, 6 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@MJL: That really isn’t going to solve the issue as well. “Elections” has to be made to select the user monthly. Minorax (tauk) 10:39, 6 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@Minorax: True, I suppose. Do you have any alternative ideas? I'm completely open to new and unique things. –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 15:42, 6 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@MJL: The "On this day" section can be kept if someone is free enough to create templates for the remaining 261 days. 1 suggestion is that someone can translate them from en.wiki, taking from pages en:January 1, en:January 2, etc. The "Featured picture" section definitely needs to be taken out as consensus is needed to make an image into a featured one. Also, perhaps the DYK section can stretch across the entire page so it can have a larger image. Minorax (tauk) 07:58, 7 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@Minorax: Generally, consensus isn't really required in the traditional sense to promote things to the Main Page. What normally happens is an admin (or any other interested party) will just fill up the spot with whatever content they feel is high enough quality. If you wanted to promote a picture right now, you'd be welcomed to do that so long as it was justifiable in some form. –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 15:17, 10 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

As for promoting an image on the main page, we do have thousands of featured pictures on Commons. They can be promoted to Featured images status here too. But we'll need captions in Scots of the images we are promoting. I don't think just posting is enough. We'll have to describe what the image is about in this wiki's language. Masumrezarock100 (tauk) 13:36, 11 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@MJL: as per above, "copying" images from commons is a good option but probably have a weekly featured images instead of a daily one. Yes, I have some images to promote right now, but my knowledge of Scots is probably a 0.1 Minorax (tauk) 02:58, 12 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

All Scottish speak and understand English. So we could make captions in English and they would understand them. But that would defeat the purpose of having a Scots Wikipedia. Masumrezarock100 (tauk) 03:12, 12 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@Minorax and Masumrezarock100: The images are promoted for a month, and the captions aren't really an issue to translate. It just becomes a question of who wants to do it? –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 20:08, 13 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@MJL: If you don't mind, I can pop by every month to create the FP for the following month. Just that I need help translating. Minorax (tauk) 12:27, 15 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@Minorax: Please feel free! :D –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 16:05, 15 Februar 2020 (UTC)[replie]

(En) Auditing consultant nominations

I intend to use this section to list consulting pro-Scots Scots authorities here, and I ask others to as well.[1] James Salsman (tauk) 20:29, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

Has any actual Scot ever visited this site, apart from me right now? Is that meant to be Doric or just some weird imaginary version of modern written Scots, because I don't even see a correct word anywhere I look... But yeah, needs consultants; I'm willing. David A McIntee (tauk) 00:40, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

@David A McIntee: I can confidently say that there are Scots who have visited this website, yes.
Also, is this you? –MJL ‐Tauk‐^☖ 02:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

If you are fluent in Scots, please join in the cleanup project. They are a more reliable authority than I. James Salsman (tauk) 15:48, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

(En) Seriously?

What the hell is that racist wikipedia? Are Scots meant to be portrayed as drunken, blubbering retards unable to speak properly? Is it a troll wiki or something? — Forerin nae adheebit commend addit bi ‎2a01:cb08:8c6d:1900:8b0:e686:7d71:72bf (talk • contribs)

This wiki has gotten questions like this dozens of times, but *you're* incredibly special, since you waited until after news broke that basically all the content on this wiki was provided by one dumbass American teenager who didn't speak Scots. 2601:243:C601:5960:1C9E:151D:3C65:D80B (talk) 00:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

It's been discussed to death elsewhere. Adding another complaint here doesn't help anybody, but you could get spend the effort fixing some articles instead. my_hat_stinks (tauk) 00:12, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

Moving the goalposts doesn't answer my question.— Precedin unsigned comment addit bi 2a01:cb08:8c6d:1900:8b0:e686:7d71:72bf (talk) 00:30, 27 August 2020‎ (UTC)[replie]

The goal was not racism, or even parody or satire, as far as I can tell. Some youthful Wikipedians often see their total edit count as a measure of self-worth, because the community uses such measures to award themselves volunteer service award badges and similar kudos. Sometimes this leads to a limbic and endocrine system feedback loop wherein the editor in question can feel intrinsic rewards for simply making edits, even when they know those edits are inaccurate. Sometimes people will make one or two such edits in jest, and beginning editors will often do so as part of a breaching experiment to see whether the accuracy of the Encyclopedia is accurately maintained. This was not a breaching experiment. It went on for tens of thousands of edits, including deliberately fabricated grammar which the editor, who had sought and obtained sysop permissions, knew was being used by machine learning, language understanding, translation, and similar applications. Requests to help were treated politely but coldly for the most part, as far as I've been able to tell, without any express or implied interest in pro-Scots Scots authority development within the editor corps. The small wiki audit failed to catch this issue, in part because it appears that Scots speakers are too polite to have complained as loudly as when similar things have happened on other small wikis.

This is a great opportunity to correct the problem in a semi-automated fashion supported by the more than 100 pro-Scots Scots speakers who have agreed to help so far.

To those, I say, welcome! James Salsman (tauk) 15:36, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

Maybe it wasn't intended to be racist, but to me, it comes off as such. If I could actually speak Scottish, I'd gladly help, but turns out I'd be more helpful on an encyclopedia ABOUT Scotland than in Scottish, so I'll refrain. I'll still be lurking this wiki from time to time, because I'm curious to check how Scottish differs from other Celtic languages, like Welsh. All the best! (And seriously, quality should beat quantity. There's something really wrong with the wikis, and I hope there aren't any other rotten apples). AND PLEASE FIX THE TOOLTIPS. -- 2A01:CB08:8C6D:1900:D05F:98D5:3311:18A5 (talk) 11:36, 27 Apryle 2021 (UTC)[replie]

(En) WikiBlame status?

One tool which would help is en:Wikipedia:WikiBlame, but I have no idea how to install it. If you are a software developer fluent in Scots, would you please look into the internationalization requirements of that tool? James Salsman (tauk) 16:03, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

I don't know what you mean by "install". You can just go to WikiBlame, set the project to sco.wikipedia, and it will work. PiRSquared17 (tauk) 16:27, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

Great! Thank you. I thought there was a Mediawiki PHP component and interface strings. If there is a WP:BACKLOG here yet we should include review of the MediaWiki interface strings. James Salsman (tauk) 16:33, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

Wikipedia:E Scots Leed Editathon August 2020 Sunday and Monday, August 30-31

(En) Reposting here and at the Commonty Yett to improve visibility. James Salsman (tauk) 16:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[replie]

Newsins

Many thanks to Uiser:Cobra 3000 for updating the "Newsins" (for the first time since the last time that was done by AG on Apr 2, 2020!), although they're not able to do it permanently. Are any other native speakers of Scots willing to volunteer? Regards, Sije (tauk) 18:24, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[replie]

[En] Scots language on Telegram!

Since this week, Telegram has a new platform for translating its app to Scots language. There aren't translators yet, so please join to the platform and translate the Telegram app to Scots. It will be great for this language to be more present in technology. To begin translating Telegram to Scots, go to the Scots Platform Group through this link: https://t.me/translation_scots

(En) Articles which may not be in Scots

Please accept my apologies if this is not the right place to post this. If it is not, please move this section to the correct page and leave a pointer here in its place.

I've recently performed an automated analysis of the ScoWiki articles, and I suggest that the following may not be in correct Scots. I understand that many are false positives because they contain properly included non-Scots, but I was not confident in my ability to remove those by hand. I would appreciate such help from native speakers.

I can create a larger list if this one is useful. Please let me know by replying. 107.242.121.49 (talk) 14:42, 31 Julie 2021 (UTC)[replie]

(En) How to tag scotched English?

I wanted to ask this on Wikipedia:Help desk but it's protected. What is the right way to tag articles such as [2]? 71.204.166.188 (talk) 16:27, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[replie]

Use {{Fix Scots}} CiphriusKane (tauk) 16:47, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[replie]

(En) Google Translate announces support for Sanskrit, used by about 20,000 people, but not Scots

https://blog.google/products/translate/24-new-languages/

It would be great to have a NLP database of actual Scots some day. Any idea when the corrupted articles will ever be deleted or moved to a segregated namespace? 2600:387:F:5737:0:0:0:6 (talk) 17:14, 12 Mey 2022 (UTC)[replie]

Never aye, maist likesome. It be over, lad.--Sigehelmus (tauk) 22:22, 12 Juin 2022 (UTC)[replie]

Same with Facebook Research: 200 new languages, some tiny, but no Scots. 71.204.166.188 (talk) 22:57, 10 Julie 2022 (UTC)[replie]

Request articles for deletion?

Any method of requesting articles to be deleted for this edition? An example would be this article on an obscure Malagasy metal band from the 2000s. There's no value here and I doubt there are many Scottish people who are into Malagasy metal bands, much less Malagasy music in general. It's almost certainly written in bogus Scots. It would be a great way to get this Wiki back up to speed and clear the absolutely irrelevant crap like this. ManhattanChase (tauk) 23:01, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[replie]

ManhattanChase, ye can tag for deletion a page by adding {{delete}} tae the tap. See an aw Wikipedia:Votes for deletion. Sije (tauk) 21:05, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[replie]

(En) So much inconsistency in spelling.

I think it's important that this wiki come to agreement on the correct way to spell in Scots. There is so much variation in how to write simple words, something that's confusing and may present an image to outsiders of it being a fake language.

Examples:

the vs. 'E vs. tha

leid vs leed

-y vs -ie

There are many other examples too. NorfolkIsland123 (tauk) 00:10, 14 Januar 2023 (UTC)[replie]

Is it color or colour? Theorise or theorize? Oestrogen or estrogen? Wow, English must be a fake language with all this inconsistency CiphriusKane (tauk) 10:15, 14 Januar 2023 (UTC)[replie]

(en) @NorfolkIsland123: What you are suggesting here is dialect suppression, and I'm not going to abide the idea that certain dialects of Scots should be driven off the wiki, especially when you're going to call the language fake for having dialects CiphriusKane (tauk) 14:41, 14 Januar 2023 (UTC)[replie]

I'm not saying that. I'm not suggesting dialect suppression. All languages, such as Italian, Spanish, German, Mandarin, etc. have many dialects. But they all also have a standardized form of their language. I think it would be most helpful if this wiki was in a standardized Scots. NorfolkIsland123 (tauk) 15:10, 16 Januar 2023 (UTC)[replie]

No editor on this wiki would call Scots a fake language. It's not. What NorfolkIsland is simply suggesting is that we create some kind of standard for Scots, so we can make translating articles easier. Additionally, there should be some kind of database so that Scots speakers can see how they should translate/write out Scots.

For example, although I am able to speak Scots, I am from the borders. Therefore, the Scots I know is very different from say, Glaswegian Scots or Highland Scots. A standardized Scots would help make it easier for us to translate, as well as assist in combatting the misconception that Scots is a fake language.

Without this, there is little that identifies the difference between Scots as a dialect/accent, and Scots as a language. RazorPantherz (tauk) 11:35, 18 Apryle 2024 (UTC)[replie]

(Scotched En) State of Scots machine translation

Here's what happens when you ask ChatGPT-4, which is trained on scowiki dumps including the remaining intermingled Scotched English, to translate English to Scots:

Can we hae a blether aboot sortin' oot a clean release o' the Scots Wikipaedia dumps? It's been a guid few year syne the hale stooshie wi' the Scots Wikipaedia (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/26/shock-an-aw-us-teenager-wrote-huge-slice-of-scots-wikipedia), an' though the scowiki folk hae marked maist o' the articles wi' mangled "Scotched English," they're still sittin' there, muddlin' things up. Nae other wey has been found tae help wi' machine translation an' siclike, leavin' Scots - spoken by a quarter million souls - in the lurch, the maist ignored leid by the big translation firms by a fair mile. Google Translate, Meta, Microsoft an' aw that support languages wi' fewer thun 20,000 speakers, but nae Scots.

The scowiki heid yins dinnae seem tae fash themselves wi' sortin' oot this mess, save for slappin' on article tags. An' them that care for the Scots leid hae gien up on their Wikipaedia, thinkin' it's a goner. So, could the Foundation maybe tak a hand an' whip up an alternative scowiki dump? Y'know, ane that leaves oot aw the articles wi' a tag for bein' Scotched, for the sake o' machine translation an' NLP communities? Richt noo, there's 2,473 articles in need o' bein' set aside (https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_wis_written_by_a_body_that_haesna_a_guid_grip_on_the_leid) oot o' the 35,199 in scowiki mainspace.

I'm reckonin' this isnae muckle work tae slot intae the dumps generation process, but it's ootwith ma ken tae dae masel, or tae pit it richt on Phabricator. No that it's a matter o' life an' death, mind, since maist Scots speakers ken their English, but for the sake o' keepin' oor leid fae fadin' away, it's the decent thing tae dae.

Here's the original for reference:

Is it feasible to create a non-Scotched release of the Scots Wikipedia dumps? It's been three years since the Scots Wikipedia scandal (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/aug/26/shock-an-aw-us-teenager-wrote-huge-slice-of-scots-wikipedia), and while the scowiki community has tagged almost all of the offending "Scotched English" articles, they have never been moved to an alternate namespace; nor has any other solution for machine translation and other dump-downstream NLP users yet been implemented, leaving Scots with 250,000 native speakers as the most widely languge not supported by any of the big machine translation provoders by a huge margin. I.e., Google Translate, Meta, and Microsoft all support automatic translation of at least a handful of languages spoken by 20,000 or fewer people, but not Scots.

As the scowiki admins have shown no interest in segregating the corruption other than by ambox template article tags, and Scots language preservationists have apparently washed their hands of their Wikipedia as a lost cause, can the Foundation please step in and sinply produce an alternate scowiki dump without any of the articles taged as Scotched, for the benefit of the machine translation and NLP communities? Currently there are 2,473 articles needing segregation (in https://sco.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Pages_that_wis_written_by_a_body_that_haesna_a_guid_grip_on_the_leid) out of 35,199 total in scowiki mainspace.

I am sure that this amounts to no more than a few hours of work to fully implement within the dumps generation process, but I'm not familiar enough to do it myself, or with Phabricator to properly file the request. And while there is no life-or-death urgency to do this, as essentially every Scots speaker can speak English, it is absolutely the right thing for linguistic preservation to help prevent the loss of another endangered language.

Maybe in the future AI will make new languages for us. 2601:647:5701:39B0:80E1:16A2:3865:8937 (talk) 00:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[replie]

James, let me make myself clear: WE ARE NOT MOVING THE ARTICLES! Shoving them into some shitty other corner is not the solution, so stop harping on about it CiphriusKane (tauk) 01:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[replie]

(En) List of bad and good Scots articles?

Does anybody have a list of articles in good and bad scots?

I want to see examples so I know what not to do when translating.

Cheers! RazorPantherz (tauk) 19:25, 20 Apryle 2024 (UTC)[replie]

Wiki closure proposal on Meta (EN) (CLOSED)

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects/Scots_Wikipedia_2 Dronebogus (tauk) 21:03, 24 Mey 2024 (UTC)[replie]

Top banner

Why is december written like that in tha top banner? I've nae seen that spelling onywhere, no in tha DSL or tha Wikipaedia for that matter. RazorPantherz (tauk) 19:16, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[replie]

https://www.scottishcorpus.ac.uk/document/?documentid=1374&highlight=dizember CiphriusKane (tauk) 19:30, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[replie]

Is this not jist ane occurence o this? Wouldn't we uise tha type that occurs mair? That seems to be whit we've been daein', as far as I ken. RazorPantherz (tauk) 20:05, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[replie]

I jist copied the dates aat @Cobra 3000: uised fur the page. Banner's been taen doon noo onywyes sae there's nae really ony issue CiphriusKane (tauk) 20:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[replie]

A'v seen that spellin on the Wiki afore an it represents hou a hear it in real life perfeck, so a went wi it.

-Cobra! (tauk) 11:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[replie]

Aye that's completely fair, jist thocht whan I saw it first it wisna richt or wis someane making it up, thats a. RazorPantherz (tauk) 12:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[replie]

Retire OTD

An editor haes requestit comments frae ither editors for this discussion.

A'm proponin aat we retire the "On This Day" section o the main page. Maist o the templates dinna exist an niver will an mony o thaim is fu ae reid airtins, acause thay wis makit bi fowk tryin ti copy enwiki athoot considerin the difference atween enwiki an scowiki. It's ae relic aat we'r really nae able ti deal wi an dinna need CiphriusKane (tauk) 15:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[replie]