↑See below; c. 1488/1490 is generally acceptit despite claims in his lifetime that he wis aulder, Getty Union Artist Name List an Metropolitan Museum of Art timeline, retrieved 11 February 2009 baith uise c. 1488. See discussion o the issue at When Was Titian Born?, which sets oot the evidence, an supports 1477—an unuisual view the day. Gould (pp. 264–66) an aa sets oot much o the evidence wioot comin tae a conclusion. Charles Hope in Jaffé (p. 11) an aa discusses the issue, favorin a date "in or juist afore 1490" as opponed tae the much earlier dates, as does Penny (p. 201) "probably in 1490 or a little earlier". The quaisten haes acome caught up in the still controversial diveesion o wirks atween Giorgione an the young Titian.