Derek, whats your take on the legitamacy or otherwise of the term "Anglic" and whether or not it is spurious(Granted it might be a recent construct, but does that make it spurious?). My objection to its detractors is that calling Scots an "English language" creates an unfair linguistic confusion, as most readers will read English and be unaware of the situation with other near language varieties they dont need to bother learning (like Dutch and Afrikaans etc) (also this leads to a feeling of legitamacy among commentators such as above). Thats the main objection I have to some contributers on the Scots Language talk page. They seem to cling on to the word "Ynglis" as a golden chalice with which to ridicule Scots:}(PS, Ive deliberately typed this beneath the sentence about speaking a non existant language, cos it really emphasises the point about "English/Anglic"!)82.41.4.6620:09, 1 Februar 2007 (UTC)[replie]
Weel, man, A've nae objection tae the word masel. It's better nor "Ynglis" an the ither orra spellings o "English". A ken it's maistly uised for English an Scots taen thegither (A'v uised it thon wey masel) but it micht cuid be uised for Auld, Middle an Modren English taen thegither an aw. In ither words it's a coinin wi uisses sae it's as "legeetimate" as ony ither uissfu coinin.
As for the fowk on the en: Scots language talk page, they've aw got their ain opeenions but A dinna lat them fash me and A try tae sey ma piece athoot fashin them. Aifter aw there's fowk happy tae wind ye up for nae ither raeson than their ain entertainment.
Ye ken, there's a deal in common atween the perception o Scots an the perception o the Wikipaedia project. Baith o them are seen bi some fowk as bein wrang. Baith mak detractors gey mad or mair like tae poke fun at them. Weel, weel, that's their recht. It maks nae odds as lang as Scots (or Wikipaedia) supporters juist caw awa daein whit they think recht. I dinna fash masel ower whit the detractors are seyin as lang as the supporters are ignorin them an warkin awa at Scots projects like this ane. An abuin aw, spikkin Scots tae ane anither ilka day. Derek Ross06:13, 2 Februar 2007 (UTC)[replie]
Fit like Derek (an thanx fur yer inpit regardin ma pynt o contaitioun)! Abaisitly a jalouse alas,thit a sal maun hae tae try an thole the seemingly untholeable:} All ca cannie an haud ma AIN wheesht insteid o gangin reid- eened an blue moothed ower the blether an bluster fae the glaiketst "wittin-kenners fu wae impartiality" av encoontered amang the "wice coonsel" tae be fundit thaur. The problem wae Scots in the Central belt howaniver, is that maistly folks dinna ken whither thur speakin it oniemair. A pit it doon tae a lack o contact wae langages in general, an whit wey nearness disnae equal sameness anent related tungs! (alang wae the lack o serious programmes frae the BBC, and attitudes in schuils in yearn gonbye anent Scots as "bad Inglis"!) fae noo on all pit mair time intae contreibutin mair til the Scots nor that yin (and aiblins start yaisin the langage massel een gin am awa frae the pc.}82.41.4.6607:35, 2 Februar 2007 (UTC)[replie]
Guid man! We need mair fowk daein that! Maist fowk juist want tae fix spellin an grammar an that's fine but we hae a rael want o fowk that'll write airticles or tak them frae ither Wikipaedias an pit them ower intil Scots. Dae that an ye'll land a rael blow for the Scots leid. Cheers -- Derek Ross06:20, 5 Februar 2007 (UTC)[replie]
Weel derek, av began airticles on the recent Celebrity Muckle Brither show on UK tv, but ma vocabular is nae affie wide (av ordered a Scots language Dictionar frae Amazon, but thon Amazons can preuve affie slow in thur arrival whin a bodie's lost fur a guid Scots owrsettin o a phrase) so thur juis the bare banes sae far. Ave pit a notice on the Scots Wikipedia talk page an all add a wee poke o chynges til thim each day, an hae a hink o some ither anes tae sart an aw cheers:}82.41.4.6614:18, 6 Februar 2007 (UTC)[replie]
I made you sysop. If anyone complain, please tell us :-) Anthere 11:41, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Thanks, Anthere. Once a community of editors forms, we'll ratify our positions. -- Derek Ross 14:23, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Hi there, Derek. Great to see we've got the Scots wiki up!!! Congratulations of being admin, too. I am a little scared to edit anything presently as we seem to be i na state of flux. Yet I wish to keep contributing; do you have any advice for me? BryanAJParry
Aye, it's grand that it's finally ready! I'm that pleased! I'm o the opeinion that fowk soud be made admins until they ill-uise the administrative pooers an I intend tae ask for bureaucrat pooers sae that I can make maist committed fowk, sic as yersel, admins gin they speir for it and hae a fair tae guid grasp o Scots. My advice tae ye richt noo is this. Dinna be feart, Bryan. Ye've daen gran wark up till noo an I'm suir hopin that ye'll cerry on. Hiv at it wi airticles. Oor priority juist noo soud be tae hae nae reid links on the main page and gin that's maist quickly daen bi translatin airticles frae ither wikipaedias, sae it maun be. I'm nae ower worrit aboot spellin richt noo (though in the lang rin I support the RRSSC standard). I juist think that fur noo we should follae a policy o "quantity ower quality". We can aye fix spellin aifter. There's nivver a lack o fowk that'd liefer fix spellin nor screive new material in ma experience. Cheers -- Derek Ross 18:51, 25 Jui 2005 (UTC)
So... what's the verdict on the logo? It would be a shame if the Scots Wikipedia logo were identical to the English one, but at the same time I think it's important to follow RSSCC standards. --Node ue 08:34, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Well, no real verdict on it at the moment, Mark. It may be that we just end up with the same logo. I thought that ae instead of e would be a straightforward uncontroversial differentiator. Oh well, wrong again. I hadn't considered the RRSSC standards. It wouldn't be a tragedy if the Scots and English logos were the same but as you say it it would be a shame. the trouble is that the Scots word for "free" is "free", so the Wikipedia/encyclopedia bit is the only bit that we can really change. I suppose we should leave it for now and come back to it when there's been more discussion. -- Derek Ross 3 Julie 2005 18:42 (UTC)
File:Wiki-sco.pngA'v haed a shottie at pittin Wikipaedia in the logo wi a picter-pentin programme (Wiki-sco.png). Aiblins no the finest bit darg that's iver been duin but its a stairt;-) Gin its awricht ye micht coud aiblins swap it for the ane we hae the nou.
Guid on ye, man! A'll certainly dae that. A'd like ti ask for ae smaa chynge first tho. Cuid ye mak the middle A the same pynt size as the lave? It's juist the first an last letters that shuid be bigger nor the ithers. -- Cheers Derek Ross 15:24, 19 Augist 2005 (UTC)
Thon A wis the bittie that gied us grief. A set it a size wee-er an it wis ower wee. AIblins hae anither shottie wi ither saftware - time tho - isna on ma side.
A see. Weel, A wad spik ti Node ue aboot it. He daes maist o thir logos an he micht dow tell ye the fonts that he uises. -- Derek Ross 17:33, 19 Augist 2005 (UTC)
Shuid we mibbe uise a ligatur, sae WIKIPÆDIA: The Free Encyclopædia? (The mak o the Auld English wiki, but athoot the accent.) Juist sae's tae sinder this æ, aye pronoonced /i/ as faur's A ken, frae the RRSSC ae, pronoonced /i/ or /ɪ/ or /e/. Mendor 17:25, 19 Augist 2005 (UTC)
That's a fine idea. -- Derek Ross 17:29, 19 Augist 2005 (UTC)
Hivvin sayed that, that maks it a bittie difficult tae screive Wikipædia in normal airticles, A daursay. Possible but a bit o a fash.
Sorry tae invade yer collogue page, by the by, Derek -- mibbe we shuid be haein this discussion here? Mendor 17:47, 19 Augist 2005 (UTC)
Derek, A haed a keek at the suggeestions that's been made for owersettin some o the navigation airtins on the stairt page.
Ye're richt aboot dicht no bein richt for delete. Whit aboot ding by?
Mair oot ower, here's a puckle ithers A'v thocht on but nae dout ye'll can pynt oot hou thay micht be takkin things ower faur.
Efter A'm loggit in A can see a wheen tags (Eng. tabs) at the tap o the page that A can wale, an a puckle airtins for ma ain accoont.
"ma settins" for preferences wad fit weel wi the ithers that maist aw haes ma afore thaim.
On this page wad "Misc settins" no be antrin settins? Aiblins ma inpit for "ma contreebutions"?
flit for muve (page) wad evite threaps anent spellin muve, muive or moove.
Coud we no uise disclamation for "disclaimer" at the dowp-end o the page? Mair Scots 'legalese' nor English?
Some o the ithers wisna bad like ingang for "main page" an tuilbox for "toolbox".
"Inpit" soons a bit "computery" an I think that "ingang" is mair like "Wey in" nor "Main Page". "Ding" wuid be fine for "smash" but its connotations o hittin mak it a bit ower the tap for "delete". Mynd you A hinna cam up wi a guid owersettin for onie o thae masel, an nae for the want o tryin I micht add. But I wis taen by "tuilkist" an I'm fand o "disclamation", "ma settins", "antrin settins", "tags" an "flit", sae I'll chynge them later the day. We'll baith hae tae keep on thinkin aboot the ithers. -- Thanks Derek Ross 5 Julie 2005 14:58 (UTC)
Are ye richt shuir that propines is a plural. A haed a keek in the SND but coudna find ony example uisin a plural. Mebbes juist propine as a verb eggin fowk tae gie something.
A haed anither thoch aboot delete. Whit aboot dae awa wi tho mebbes mixtur-maxturin mair formal an informal styles winna wirk richt. Help you wad be need a haud or gie's a haund. Aw the same Delete an help is sae muckle Scots as English. Gin we haud wi edit coud we no cry historybygane edits?
Can thon Vote thingmie at the tap o the page no be pitten ower intae Scots. A think it wad be guid tae set the feck o the uiser-interface ower intae Scots as a priority. It's whit maist fowk will see first an maks a better impression nor whan the tae hauf o't is in English. A ken ye're awfu thrang at it , this isna a creeticism juist ma opeenion o whit priorities shoud be. Mebbes lat us ken whit hings thegither wi the stairt page sae's A can aiblins whiles pit some o't ower intae Scots. The Button Shaw cynges" ablo is aye still in English.
I'm nae worrit aboot "propine" -- een atho "drink money" is gien as ain o the aulder meanins in Chambers Concise! Lorimer uises it as a plural noun in his New Testament tae mean "tithes" or "donations". I mind seein it in Acks somewey.
"Dae awa wi" isna bad for "delete", and likewise yer ideas for "help" an "history" are fine eneuch. The thing is I'm nae feart til uise a word juist because it's uised in English an aa. Sae I had nae plans ti chynge "help" or "history". "Delete", I will chynge. But gin ither fowk want "help" an "history" chynged an aa, I'll mak the chynges. For masel, I'd liefer mair formal phrasin.
I canna finnd whaur the "Vote" message is saufit itherwise I'd hae chynged it masel. Sorry aboot that. As for the rest o the interface, I gree wi you: chyngin it is my priority (aifter work an kin oniewey). Mendor an masel haed maistlins daen it, syne version 1.5 o the wiki wis installed wi a hantle o new buttons an seistem messages an sae we haev mair ti dae. -- Derek Ross 6 Julie 2005 19:07 (UTC)
Quo the SND on "delete": "Found in O.Sc. from c.1420". Sae if the ae alternative is "dae awa wi" — an A think that's gey ower informal — A dinna think we shuid be feart tae uise whit is a tradeitional Scots word (sae lang's we keep the Latinate pp, o coorse!) Mendor 7 Julie 2005 19:57 (UTC)
PS: A'v been leukin for that Vote message an aa -- aa the ither wikis seem tae hiv owerset it -- but hivna funnd it. Mendor
It wis at MediaWiki:Sitenotice. Aa that wis thare afore wis "-", sae it's no surpreisin we cuidna finnd it. The saftware maun hae been substitutin the English version bi defaut. It's owerset nou. Mendor 7 Julie 2005 21:40 (UTC)
Aha! Weel duin that man! We'll hae ti mind that for neist time -- Derek Ross 8 Julie 2005 03:58 (UTC)
Thanks Derek for your help. I created quite a few articles recently not having read your message and now am sad I hadn't read it to start with.
According to the dictionary that I'd been using "An wa" meant aswell. I didn't know it meant And Wall :P. I'll have another look at your advise and start out create a better wikipedia scots edition. Thanks again, Nou Uiserr
Nae bother. Ye're daein gey weel. Bi the bi, that's nae ane o thae Monty Python dictionars, is't ? <grin>. -- Derek Ross 22:12, 3 Augist 2005 (UTC)
Hi Derek, thanks for copyediting Arnhem, and (if it's not too much work) plz. continue to do so, it's the best way for me to learn a little bit of Scots. So I might upgrade my Scots skills from sco-0 to sco-1 as Colin Angus Mackay suggested on my user talk. ;-) Moribunt 21:57, 3 Augist 2005 (UTC)
That's grand. I'm shuir ye'll pick it up in nae time. It's rael fine ti see Scots lairners like yersel an Nou Uiserr holpin oot. Cheers -- Derek Ross 22:09, 3 Augist 2005 (UTC)
Derek, I'm rather fond of wikipedia scots the way it is now, but there is one thing I'd like to bring to your attention. It says there is 168 articles or something like that, but whenever I use the random article option it mainly brings me to the Date Articles. And generally they are rather uninspiring. So I wanted to know if it's possible to cut them out of the random article bit. Thanks, Nou Uiserr
Sorry, man, I canna dae oniething anent that. The function is biggit intil the saftware, sae I canna chynge it. It'll get better as we eik airticles on ither stuff nor dates but it micht be a whilie afore the Date airticles are swamped by the lave. I mind the time that the RAMBOT eikit aa the US touns ti the English Wikipedia. For a while the random function there wis mair like to gie ye a US toun than no. It wis a lang time afore it gaed back ti normal. The ae thing we can dae is to screive (or owerset) mair airticles frae the leet that aa Wikipedias shuid hae. Sorry. -- Derek Ross 22:55, 3 Augist 2005 (UTC)
Derek I wanted to know how you'd delete a page because there are several I've created that have been redirected or just need deletion. Nou Uiserr
For nou mairk the pages wi a category [[Category:Please delete]] -- an Mendor or masel will dae it for ye.
Aiblins somebodie wi mair time nor me cuid copy the {{speedy deletion}} template frae the English Wikipedia. If no, A'll dae it the nicht. -- Derek Ross15:17, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[replie]
I've noticed an anonymous user has been changing Pope to "Pape" in any of my religious articles. I'm not too sure if it's meant to be offensive or not because I've heard people say Papist to be offensive...Since I think you have a better understanding of he language I'd like to ask you. Nou Uiserr
"Pape" is just the Scots for "Pope" and is not offensive, so no need to worry there. However "Papist" is generally considered offensive because of its use by people who don't like the Catholic church (or Catholics in general). Most Scots would talk about "Catholics" whether speaking Scots or English. Only those who wished to show their dislike of the Catholic Church would speak about "Papists". In English the equivalent word is "Popist" but it is rather archaic nowadays owing to the much reduced anti-Catholic feeling among English-speaking people around the world. "Papist" is now more commonly used than "Popist" by English-speakers who feel the need. They don't know that they're using a Scots word but it's commonly used by Ulster Scots like Ian Paisley whereas almost nobody uses "Popist" nowadays. -- Derek Ross03:46, 8 September 2005 (UTC)[replie]
juist tae congratulate ye on the gran wark ye'r pittin intae the date airticles -- maun be an awfu trauchle for ye but it's gey appreciate! Mendor11:43, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[replie]
Thanks, Mendor, nice o ye ti sey. Ti tell ye the truth it's nae that muckle a trauchle. There's nae thinkin needit for maist o them. Juist copy, paste, an mak a puckle wee chynges. It's a fine relaxin wey ti feenish the day. -- Derek Ross16:09, 16 September 2005 (UTC)[replie]
A'd like tae ken why awbodies uisses Lairge an sic whan ye can uise Muckle. The wird haes bi nou a distinct Scots reeng (The Inglis Mickle lang forgotten) an A dinna believe that na Scotsman haes sain that wird fae 1000 ti Nou, acause A've een it in ma Scots-Inglis Dictionar. Nou Uiserr
Weel in English, ye can sey "big", "large", "huge" or ither words o that ilk. They haev seemlar meanins but nae exackly the same. Fowk wad agree that "huge" is a bittie bigger nor "large". In the same wey, "muckle" is bigger nor "lairge", sae maist fowk juist uise it for a thing that's unco lairge. -- Derek Ross19:30, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[replie]
Because it was describing the word "Gif" and Wikipedia doesn't do that because Wikipedia is an encyclopedia not a dictionary. Wiktionary does though, so if you want to submit it there, go ahead. "Occident" and "Orient" in their current forms are candidates for deletion as well since they are currently describing the words, "Occident" and "Orient", instead of the places. However I did not delete them since they can be changed into articles on the Occident and the Orient rather than articles about the words "Occident" and "Orient".
It's as if the George Bush article said
George Bush is the name of the the current US president. It consists of two words. The first one starts with G and is six letters long. The second starts with B and is four letters. George has been a popular name in English speaking countries since the reign of the first King George. Bush is a surname as well as a word used to name woody plants which are not trees, etc., etc.
An article like that would not be about George Bush. It would be about the words "George Bush". That is what the "Gif", "Orient" and "Occident" articles are (or were) like. Such articles will be deleted because they are not the sort of article that Wikipedia is for. -- Derek Ross00:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)[replie]
A wis leukin throu a Scottis Dictionar the day, an coudna fin onie wirds owre fifteen letters. A did fin these twa wird thou, "Rimburstenness" & "Colliebuction". The first is the state o bein unner a hernia, an the secoint is juist a threap... Dis onie bodie hae langer wirds? Nou Uiserr
Whan leukin owre DSL A see'd an aulder scots letter an wantit it pittin unto wikipaedia sae A can make an Airticle aboot it - gin ye coud uplaid it or something it'd be maist appreciatit. Nou Uiserr
a pedant butts in Thon pictur ye'v pit in for in wattir-ȝett is an ezh, no a yogh. A yogh haes a roondit tap hauf. Ȝ ȝ. In theorie yoghs haes Unicode code pynts U+021C (muckle) an U+021D (wee) -- but A hae ma douts whither thay'll kythe i the page athoot a special font or some ither bit o trickery. HTH tho it probably disna. Dae ye see ma yoghs abuin or ar thay juist wee kisties? Mendor10:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)[replie]
Mebbe A hae uised the wrang letter, but gin a haed DSL haes tae. Type in Yogh intil thare box. The letters ye typed is juist kyskies upo ma brouser. Nou Uiserr
Weel, it micht hae bin uised in the 1700s an aerlier but we dinna uise it the day. An A dinna think that its muckle uise spellin words wi letters that fowk canna see athoot a font upgrade. -- Derek Ross04:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)[replie]
A unnerstaund whit yer sayin, an wadnae uiss the letter oniewey (it's juist on Dost) but it seemed intrestin... Nou Uiserr
Richt eneuch. Airticles on thae twa auld letters wadna be a bad thing. For ae thing it micht help fowk to unnerstand the wey that names sic as "Dalziel" an "Menzies" are pronoonced "Dayell" an "Mingis". -- Derek Ross05:37, 29 October 2005 (UTC)[replie]
Hiya, Derek Ross. A wantit tae say thank ye fer knockin thut wee little scrote Willy on Wheels on tha heed. He's a richt wee little knobbler wha's ben bannt aa ower the shop on tha Inglis Wiki. A lift yer a postie on Wikipedia:Mercat Cross durin tha nocht aboot him. Anyhoo, glad tae see tha little eejit's bin pointit at tha door fer a whiel. Guid on ye! (I know my scots ain't perfect, but i hope ye get what i'm saying!) Thor2415:28, 5 Februar 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Nae bother, Thor. A wad hae duin it onywey. A ken the feel an the wey he warks. A juist hope he disna stairt a campaign here. -- Derek Ross19:10, 5 Februar 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Weel, A work on 't Coonter Vandalism Unit at 't Inglis Wiki. Hoo'd a become a admin here? I cud help yer keepin a eye on 't Scots site. Bin editin Inglis wiki back tae 2004... Whut ya sey? Thor2420:30, 5 Februar 2006 (UTC)[replie]
It's me, you told me to make an article, since i'm new i don't know how to do that, can you teach or tell me, i know i'm writing in english but i'm not good writing in scots albeit i can read most of it and understand it. Redsportscar32321:50, 14 Februar 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Okay. As I see it you need to learn two things:
(1) How Wikipedia works
(2) How to write in Scots
before you will be able to help here in a meaningful way.
In order to do (1) I recommend that you follow this course of lessons which explain in English how to make an article. Once you have completed that try reading the following articles
which explain not just the technical bits but also the philosophy and etiquette of Wikipedia. Finally I would suggest that once you have read those links that you try contributing to the English Wikipedia until you get the hang of it.
For (2) you need to read books in Scots. This will give you a better feel for Scots spelling and grammar.
Looking at the number of articles I suppose it's a rather new wiki. I'd like to ask for approval on running an interwiki bot here, except I can't find a decent place to do so. Can you recommend anything? Cheers. --Rebel00:10, 18 Februar 2006 (UTC)[replie]
You're right it's small and new. We maybe have five or six "regulars" and they tend to do spelling/grammar fixes rather than create new articles. Personally I've no objection to you running a bot to add links to other wikis and I doubt that anyone else would have. However if you'd like to check with them, or if the bot does anything else then I suggest that you tell us a bit more about it at the Mercat_Cross. -- Derek Ross05:42, 18 Februar 2006 (UTC)[replie]
No, all I'd like it to do is interwiki. If I was more familiar to the language than I would have had it do categories as well, maybe. I'll post a request for bot flag in the Mercat Cross so it's public. Thanks. Cheers. --Rebel09:56, 18 Februar 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Sorry, it's a volunteer project an I chuise the stuff A want tae wark on. A dinnae hae a mind tae write airticles aboot wee touns in Poland whan we're missing airticles on kenspeckle topics like mythology, sae ye'll hae tae wait on some ither bodie (or dae it yersel). -- Derek Ross01:32, 19 Mairch 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Monie thanks for nominatin me for bureaucratship. Gin the commonty appruives o't A s' ettle tae dae ma best wi the job.
A'm thinkin forbye, tho, that you'v been aboot Wikipædia an antrin ither Wiki projects for some time nou an ye ken the wey a'thing wirks better nor me. Wad you accept ma nomination o yoursel for bureaucratship? Mibbe for tae "haud ma haund" a bit gin ye ken whit A mean ;-)
Hou dis bureaucrats get made oniewey? A jalouse the first ane'll hae tae be made bi somebodie frae Meta, but efter we hiv that first ane thay'll can mak mair bureaucrats thairsels -- am A richt? Mendor18:38, 17 Julie 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Ach, ye'll dae fine, man. The ae differ atween an admin an a bureaucrat is that the bureaucrat can mak new admins an bureaucrats. Tae tell the truth that's fit wey A've proponed ye: we haena oniebodie to dae that the nou an you're daein mair nor I can here (warks takkin up a lot o ma time). Ye're richt: there is mair tae bein a bureaucrat on the muckle wikis like en:, fr: or de: -- whiles ye damn near need the Wisdom o Solomon but on the wee anes whaur awbodie kens awbodie else there's nae muckle differ atween a uiser, an admin an a bureaucrat. The gowden rule for aw three is tae dae as muckle as ye can wi the tuils that awbody haes. Stick tae that an ye winna ging far wrang. A doobt there'll be onie need for hand-haudin. But gin ye've quaistens, speir awa. As ye sey, A'm a bureaucrat on the Gaelic WP an an admin on the English ane, plus A've been warkin on WP sith 2001. Sad tae sey, een wi aw that experience, whiles A still dinna ken whit A'm daein ! Sae dinna fash yersel. An dinna worry aboot makkin me a bureaucrat. There's nae need as lang as wi hae ane at least an we should really be leukin for fowk tae be made admin first.
As tae whit wey bureaucrats is made. A steward'll mak the first ane (you). Aifter that, ye'll hae anither menu link that lats ye mak new admins an bureaucrats. That's aboot it. -- Derek Ross05:10, 18 Julie 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Hi there, Derek, you speak "Doric".... as you know. Well, I wanted to know if "kn" and "gn" onsets are still pronounced as such. That is, are words like "knight", "knoll", "knot", "gnat", "gnome" and so on still said with a g and a k sound? If not by you, do you know first hand of this happening elsewhere or by others? And if so, to what degree? Cheers, Bryan. 82.44.212.621:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Aye, aye, Bryan. Whit like. A dinna ken o onybody that still seys the /g/ in gnat or seemlar but there's a puckle aulder fowk that still seys the /k/ in knowt or knee. An whan fowk sings "Nicky Tams" they'll sey it baith times -- An wrappit roun ma knapping knees, A pair o nicky tams. It's nae that common aye noo an A widna sey it masel for ordinar but it's nae deid yet. -- Derek Ross02:57, 25 October 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Thank you very much!! I recently did a presentation on Doric, and now I am writign an essay on it, so this kind of info. is quite useful (as the info. you find in books can be a little, shall we say, romanticised ). I've another related question. I understand wr- onsets in English became vr- onsets in Doric. Does anyone still pronounce the words this way? That is, English "wrong" is Doric "wrang", but is the "w" pronounced? (whether it's said as a "w" or a "v" sound). Bryan 82.44.212.600:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[replie]
Richt eneuch. Noo an again, A've heard fowk sey vrocht (like English, "wrought", but meanin English "done") but it's rael rare in ma experience. A've nivver heard onybody seying "vrang" though I can see that they micht hae at ae time. Nooadays it's rarer nor "kn-" even. An gin it were said, it wid aye be "vr-"; nivver "wr-". -- Derek Ross19:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)[replie]
A'm, like A said, spleet-new at Scots. Gin ye coud tak a gleek at whit A hae duin, A shuirly wad apprise it, in parteecular, Unitarian Universalism. Thank ye! Aleta
Aye, aye, Aleta. Gran tae hiv ye warkin on the WP. Ye're daein fine for a beginner, better nor maist in fact. A've nae doot that oor resident "checker", 84.135.233.124, will keep yer text richt gin ye mak mistaks o spellin or graimar. In fact A've little doot, he's duin it awreadies. Sae juist ca awa. A'm fine pleased wi whit ye've daen. -- Derek Ross 10:03, 10 Dizember 2006 (UTC)
Hello Derek. Note that your request for permissions has been updated. Please hold a new election to make sure consensus has not changed. Bureaucrat access will be granted promptly upon confirming consensus, barring no unforeseen circumstances. Thanks. —Pathoschild 22:32, 24 Dizember 2006 (UTC)
We'll get richt on it. -- Derek Ross 07:22, 25 Dizember 2006 (UTC)
hooray, we'r gettin someplace! Thank ye for yer efforts, A ken it's been a sair fecht. The maist yauld bots haes got bot status nou, A'll dae the lave as an whan thay kythe on Special:Recentchanges. Cheers, Mendor16:56, 4 Februar 2007 (UTC)[replie]
Ah wid juist register that accont as weel an uise it stead o the auld ane. A dinna think ony o us haes the pouer to chynge the accoont name for ye. -- Derek Ross18:55, 2 Apryle 2007 (UTC)[replie]
Hey, Derek (English is okay for talk pages, yeah?), would you be interested in starting a Scots Wiktionary? I've already figured out how to do it, I just need a few extra people who are interested.
Gin ye maun, ye maun but A'll stick tae Scots wi a chiel like yersel that's uised tae hearin it. Aye yon's a fine thocht. Gin ye stairt it, A'll jine in. Whit did ye hae in mind? -- Derek Ross | News06:16, 13 Juin 2007 (UTC)[replie]
Do you have any idea on how to edit the code of Wikipedia (i.e. the parts that are not articles)? OchAyeTheNoo
Weel, there's stuff ye can chynge, an stuff ye canna. The link tae Special:AllMessages on ma uiser page lat's an admeenistrator chynge maist o the writin that kythes on the pages ootwi the airticles. But there's stuff like the link "Special:AllMessages" that A wid like tae chynge tae "Byordinar:AwMessages" gin A kent the richt wey tae dae't. The namepaces like "User:" and "Portal:" an "Wikipedia:" are aw like that tae. A ken that they can be chynged but A dinna ken foo tae dae it. -- Derek Ross | News05:28, 26 Juin 2007 (UTC)[replie]
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http://www.lel.ed.ac.uk/dialects/nis.html. Is this Scots or jist Scots Inglish? Some o the clips soond mair like Inglish an ithers like Scots tae me, sae it's hard tae tell. The quine fae Aiberdeen soondit mair lik she wis spaekin Inglish wi a puckle o Scots wirds here an thare whauras (is that a wird?) some o the ithers spaek whit ye could ainly cry Scots. Whit A fin unco is that sometimes A'll read or listen tae Scots an fowk wull uise Inglis wirds whaun (at least accoordin tae whit A've read), thare are differ Scots equivalents. I.e.: uisin "than" insteid o "nor". A ken there isna a staundart wey o spellin Scots, bit it awmaist seems lik thare's nae a staundart vocabulary tae me. Can ye explain whit wey thon is? As a lairner A fin it gey confusin!
Dae ye ken onie native spaekers o Scots asides yersel (an Billy Kay) that are involvit in the Scots leid muivement? It seems tae me that it's mair academics an nationalists that are interestit in Scots nor the bodies that spaek Scots as their mither tongue. A'm interestit in finnin oot whit Scots spakers hae tae say aboot their leid an hoo they see it. Whit did yer familie cry the leid whaun ye wis growin up? Whit did the ither spaekers that bidit in yer toon cry it? "Braid Scots"? "Doric"? Something differ awthegither? Did they see it as a leid distinct fae Inglish or jist as a byleid? A'm nae tryin tae fash ye, A'm jist curious an would like tae ken. Crazygraham
That's a fair few quaistens. A'll see fit A can dae.
1. Is this Scots or jist Scots Inglish. The clips are samples o fowk spikkin that show whit like fowk are spikkin the day. A wad sey that some are mair Scots than ithers. A wis surprised tae hear the chiel frae Boddam seyin /fortnight/ raither nor /fortnicht/ but "facts are chiels that winna ding", chynges in the wey fowk spik gang on apace, an even faister in toons like Aiberdeen.
2. ... fowk wull uise Inglis wirds whaun (at least accoordin tae whit A've read), thare are differ Scots equivalents. Aye richt eneuch. A dae it masel. Here's the wey A see it. First, ye hae tae mind that aroon 60% o Scots an English vocabulary is shared. Seicont, maist o us are uisin English for offeecial buisness. Mairower, fowk like me, warkin wi non-Scots aw the time, hiv tae spik English tae be understood. But even fowk bidin in Scotland are mair like tae switch tae English gin they wark wi non-Scots. Pittin thae twa facts thegither, it's nae wonder that fowk are mair like tae uise an English word even whan they're spikkin Scots an there's a guid Scots ane. It's because we're mair interestit in communicatin, than in spikkin richt, an sae we'll uise whitiver word comes first tae mind unless we're tryin tae spik a certain wey. It's nae sic a muckle problem whan ye're writin an can revise but whan ye're spikkin, its deefficult tae evyte athoot makkin a big effort.
3. ... bit it awmaist seems lik thare's nae a staundart vocabulary tae me. Weel, that's because there isna. Mind, Scots hisna been an offeecial leid syne the 18th century (whan it wis aye uised by the lawyers); English is the ae leid that's hid grammar, spelling an idiom taucht in Scots schuils; an though there's a puckle deectionaries, they maistly deal wi words that are funnd in Scots but nae in English. They're like tae lave oot ony words the twa leids hae in common. Sae there's been nae rael road tae staundartisation o Scots for a lang time. A'm sorry ye find it confusin.
4. Dae ye ken onie native spaekers o Scots asides yersel (an Billy Kay) that are involvit in the Scots leid muivement? A'm nae involved in ony wey ither than A dinna want tae see the leid dee. Sae A dinna ken onybody that micht be involved ither than the likes o Douglas Kynoch an Robbie Shepherd (an A dinna ken them, A juist ken o them). An as for Billy Kay: wha's he? A'll hae tae leuk him up! A juist ken plain fowk, maistly frae Buchan, that are native spikkers. Gey few o them are academics, tho a puckle, nae aw, are naitionalists richt eneuch. But they were Scots spikkers as bairns; it's nae likely they became naitionalists till they grew up.
5. Whit did yer familie cry the leid whaun ye wis growin up? Whit did the ither spaekers that bidit in yer toon cry it? Awbody in the North-East cries it "Doric" or "the Doric".
6. Did they see it as a leid distinct fae Inglish or jist as a byleid? Some see it as a byleid o English, ithers as its ain leid. Whit wey the majority thinks A dinna ken. A survey wad be guid. Mebbes ane haes awready been duin but A hivna been telt aboot it.
A howp that helps ye. A've telt ye whit ma experience is but the fact is that things chynge frae year tae year. An A dinna ettle tae underestimate the impact o televeesion nor the muckle spate o incomers (an the follaein diaspora) that cam wi North Sea ile. Forty year ago Doric was strang in Aiberdeen an roon about. It's nae sae strang the day. -- Cheers Derek Ross | News07:18, 27 September 2007 (UTC)[replie]
Dear Derek Ross. On Meta's Requests for new languages I read that you have recently supported a request for a new language project that has now been conditionally approved. Congratulations on that approval! I hope your community can make something wonderful out of it.
One of the requirements for getting from a conditional approval to a complete project with its own wiki is that the interface for MediaWiki for that language has been sufficiently localised. I would like to ask you to check the localisation statistics for the languages you are able to contribute to, and if you are willing, invite you to visit Betawiki, where you can contribute to improving the localisation for those languages. On Betawiki, users contribute to the MediaWiki localisation of more than 70 languages every month. Please do not hesitate to drop me a note there if you have any questions. Cheers! Siebrand 22:56, 22 Dizember 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, Siebrand. I wasn't actually aware of the request for a Scots Wiktionary. Still, now that it's been conditionally approved, we'll have to follow up on it. We've actually localised a fair bit of the interface (although the developers keep adding new messages, not all of which we have looked at). -- Derek Ross | News 01:38, 23 Dizember 2007 (UTC)
Derek, where hae ye been? A wee ago Mendor thoucht o a Scots Wiktionar:
A 'hink 'at's a guid idea, if juist acause it'd gie the Scots-English-Scots dictionar somewhaur tae gang (it isna really appropriate for a Wikipedia). As A sayed thare tho, it wad kin o be reduplicatin wark that itherfowk haes duin -- mind you A daursay thon's true o a' the Wiktionaries. Whit daes fowk think? Mendor 17:13, 30 Juin 2006 (UTC)
An then A got tae wairk wi oorganisin a Meta request here aifter a jottin on yer collogue page:
Hey, Derek (English is okay for talk pages, yeah?), would you be interested in starting a Scots Wiktionary? I've already figured out how to do it, I just need a few extra people who are interested. If you are, give me a shout, cheers. OchAyeTheNoo 19:51, 12 Juin 2007 (UTC) Gin ye maun, ye maun but A'll stick tae Scots wi a chiel like yersel that's uised tae hearin it. Aye yon's a fine thocht. Gin ye stairt it, A'll jine in. -- Derek Ross 06:16, 13 Juin 2007 (UTC)
That's fine, OchAye. A mind ye seyin that. A just didna ken foo far ye'd got wi it. A'll be gled tae help ye oot wi it. Cheers. -- Derek Ross | News 21:53, 26 Dizember 2007 (UTC)
Could you please help me translate This article for the Scots (.sco) Wikipedia. Even if you could help with a one or two-sentence stub would be great since it would help to serve as a basis for future expansion.
Dinna fash yersel, Carsrac. Awthin's fine. We hinna had ony spammin for a whilie. Bazza pit thon in place sax month syne. There's nae need tae tak it awa. -- Derek Ross | News04:48, 25 Februar 2008 (UTC)[replie]
Is there any wey ae keekin at the IP address o a uiser? Ah'm thinkin that aw the recent vandalism (frae milesdata tae Derrek Ross) is mibbe the same body. Bazza08:49, 9 Apryle 2008 (UTC)[replie]
Ye're verra likely richt anent the culprit, Bazza. Gin we hae mair trouble, A'll speir for the IP via checkuser, sae as we can block the range. But there's nae wey o checkin short o that. Thing is that there's wey's o gettin roun IP blocks gin ye ken whit ye're daein. In the end a human ee an a finger on the revert button is still the only sure wey o dealin wi some o these problems. -- Derek Ross | News15:03, 9 Apryle 2008 (UTC)[replie]
Hi, A wis wonderin gin ye kent gin there's any Tammie norries in Arboath at the meenit acause A wis thinkin that A'd tak ma American an Inglish freends thon at the weekend for tae shaw them a wheen mair o Scotland. Weel, A ken ye leeve in Arbroath sae thocht ye micht hae a better idea nor A wad, giein that yer fae thare. Scroggie00:45, 10 Apryle 2008 (UTC)[replie]
Weel, A uised tae bide in Arbroath but it's been 5 year syne. There were tammie-norries on the cliffs atween Arbroath an Auchmithie then, mair towards the Auchmithie end. Breedin season is Mey tae August. They're at sea ither times. But ye micht be lucky an see them. I hiv but it's been a whilie. It wad be a fine waulk for yer freens onywey. The rock formations are awfu guid even if ye dinna see ony o the birds, an ye can aye tak yer freens for a fine high tea at the But'n'Ben in Auchmithie afore turnin back. Mind you, it's richt popular, sae book it if ye want tae dae that. Cheers -- Derek Ross | News01:01, 10 Apryle 2008 (UTC)[replie]
You may want to consider copying your work to betawiki: after you're done, or perhaps just do it there instead. When translations are done on that project, they're pushed to the internationalization pages at SVN, which means the next folks who go to install MediaWiki (a scots wiktionary, perhaps?) already have the benefit of your work.
Hello Derek!
(I'll speak in English to avoid possible errors and difficulty of language, overall because I see my Scots seem to be more specific than the one standardized here) Just arrived a week ago: I love this wiki! I am working on the article "Wumman" and want to introduce a picture I found on the Internet, of a pregnant woman. I have found this one: http://brucefong.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/hispanic-pregnant-woman.jpg and after searches, found it copyrightless. So, can you introduce it here, or if not, another one? Sorry to bother you, Derek, sincerely,
--Rabbie Barns18:22, 31 Mairch 2010 (UTC)[replie]
Disna bather me, Rabbie, but it micht fash ithers. Some fowk are gey leery o ony picters that they dinna ken the provenance o. Is there nae somethin that'll dae the job on the Wikipedia Commons ? Ah wad uise a picter frae thon, gin there's a uiseful ane. -- Derek Ross | News03:56, 21 Mey 2010 (UTC)[replie]
First of all I beg your pardon because I don't speak Scots and use English and I sincerely apologize for my intrusion. I'd like to ask you a favor, I'm a member of a Catalan association that wishes to become a Chapter but that hasn't been accepted up to this moment because it doesn't have one/a state! I'd like to ask you if you could translate the following template (add the Scots version where there is Catalan, or English if you prefer it that way!). I would then work on a campaign to convince your fellow Wikipedians to stick it to their introductory page. I wish all the best to you and your language (keep on fighting for it!), Scotland (well actually I've just seen Edinburgh for now but I plan to visit it for real some time soon!) is a wonderful country and the Scottish great people (from what I've seen in my stay there)! May you have a great and warm summer, Capsot 08:15, 30 Julie 2010 (UTC) PD: Please, don't forget the sentence: "Wikipedians giving their support to Wikimedia CAT"."
My scots insae guid eneuch and Im no affie experienced in hou Wikipedia works, so I was wondering gin you could gie Capsot a hand wae his request Dereck? Cheers Seamusalba11:13, 30 Julie 2010 (UTC)[replie]
Hello, I'm Claudi Balaguer/Capsot. I hope you won't be mad at me and I apologize sincerely but since you haven't been around for a while I asked somebody else about the translation. I wish you, your language, Scotland and your projects a magnificent future. Take care, Capsot11:39, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[replie]
hello Dereck,
Im siccar that your Scots is better nor mine and that you'd ken hou tae help ma frien frae Catalonia wae his wishes (as pasted aneath).
"Hello, could you please help me!
First of all I beg your pardon because I don't speak Scots and use English and I sincerely apologize for my intrusion. I'd like to ask you a favor, I'm a member of a Catalan association that wishes to become a Chapter but that hasn't been accepted up to this moment because it doesn't have one/a state! I'd like to ask you if you could translate the following template (add the Scots version where there is Catalan, or English if you prefer it that way!). I would then work on a campaign to convince your fellow Wikipedians to stick it to their introductory page. I wish all the best to you and your language (keep on fighting for it!), Scotland (well actually I've just seen Edinburgh for now but I plan to visit it for real some time soon!) is a wonderful country and the Scottish great people (from what I've seen in my stay there)! May you have a great and warm summer, Capsot 08:15, 30 Julie 2010 (UTC) PD: Please, don't forget the sentence: "Wikipedians giving their support to Wikimedia CAT"."
I dinnae ken eneuch Scots tae owerset the verb "support" and I dinnae ken onything regarding templates on wikipedia. So, Im hoping that ou dae and thaty you can help better than I have been able tae:p?
Cheers Seamusalba13:29, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[replie]
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