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Walcome![eedit soorce]

Hullo, EuanHolewicz432, an walcome til the Wikipedie! Guid tae see ye. Thank ye faer yer werks. Some gibbles ye'll fynd uissfu:

Bi gaun throu the Commontie Yett ye'll can find aw kynd o wittins adae wi uisin an eikin til the Wikipedie. For tae hae a sey shottie, veesit oor Saundpit.

Dinna haud yer wheesht, haud yer ain!MJLTauk 20:28, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

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Hi there, it's great that you seem so enthused about contributing to the Scots Wiki in the wake of all this controversy. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I think it's quite clear from the quality of your articles that you can't speak Scots. I absolutely don't want to come across as being rude, you clearly have enthusiasm and passion for the subject but I think your efforts would be better appreciated elsewhere, perhaps on the Polish or English Wikis instead? You definitely have a great knowledge of Polish history, in terms of content (and not language) your articles are quite good, and it's being wasted on writing articles in a language you can't speak. I have a rough idea of what Polish looks like but I can't speak it, so I wouldn't attempt to write encyclopedic articles on Scottish historical figures on the Polish version of Wikipedia. Again I'm very sorry to have to say this but part of the reason the Scots Wikipedia was in such a mess in the first place was people thinking they could get away with writing in Scots without knowing it. Your contributions would absolutely be welcome if you ever made an effort to improve your ability in Scots, but for now I'd like to politely request that you not create or edit any more articles for the time being. If you were interested in making a serious effort at learning Scots, I would suggest taking a look at David Purves' book 'A Scots Grammar', along with getting yourself a good dictionary like the Concise Scots Dictionary, as well as a copy of the New Testament in Scots. Best of luck whatever you decide. Ultaigh (tauk) 01:05, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Ultaigh: Excuse me? Just because you are ignorant of the many lingual micro-dialects (all of them equally correct and equally applicable on this Wiki, as I've been told) doesn't mean that you can barge in with your prescriptivist nonsense and claim I "clearly cannot speak Scots" - and no, your pseudo-sycophantic screed following your thoroughly uninformed accusation does not "make up" for the "rudeness" you are trying to avoid. Incredibly insulting and uncalled for; perhaps it is you that should spend some time educating yourself. --EuanHolewicz432 (tauk) 02:59, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey EuanHolewicz432, we have a community discord you can join. Your articles were mentioned there as likely not in Scots. You don't seem to be familiar with a mainstream dialect of Scots at least. –MJLTauk 04:43, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I worked on the a revision of Wincenty Kononowicz article. I hope you can understand that we are trying to strike a balance between being overly-prescriptive with regards to dialect variations and maintaining enough consistency that the writing isn't too jarring to read when navigating between articles (or for editors to build upon each others work).

We have page linking some of reference material we recommend at spellin an grammar, also if we use a word that exists in English without well documented spelling variations we tend to use the Modern English spelling that readers will be familiar with. If there are other resources you might have referenced or learned from then I'd love to hear about those because with all of the new contributors (myself included) we will be updating a lot of this guidance.

One of the most obvious differences between your original contribution and the writing conventions that most recent regular contributors are using of the [[[en:Apologetic Apostrophe]]) which although valid has fell out of use in modern Scots writing, the conventions in Scots Style Guide mentioned on that page influenced the a lot of modern Scots writing. The phonetics of some spellings were also unfamiliar to me (toime and toitle spring to mind), if that's based on a dialect or accent you are familiar with then I'd be interested to hear about that. On the Discord channel mentioned above we have contributors from all of the major dialect regions and this is the type of conversation that comes up if an editor is unsure about how common a word, pronunciation or phrase is.

Regarding the Wincenty Kononowicz article itself, I was surprised to not find an EN Wikipedia equivalent given his constitutional involvement. I don't know if it would be under another page or if it just doesn't have the information. Was it your own work entirely or translated from a Polish article? Either way, the distinctive content is very welcome so I hope the semi-standardised writing style we're aiming for doesn't discourage you. Monospaced (tauk) 22:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

@Monospaced: It is indeed surprising that neither Kononowicz nor Tadeusz Cyrankiewicz have their articles on the English or Polish Wikipedias. It's even more surprising that neither names appear in any works on Polish history, except the ones mentioned in the article - which conveniently can't be accessed online. That the Cyrankiewicz article uses an image which clearly states its of a different person in its title is even more surprising. Hopefully I've set up the deletion process correctly over at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Tadeusz Cyrankiewicz. @Ultaigh:--Bangalamania (tauk) 04:24, 23 September 2020 (UTC)